Fuzzy Math
embarrassing, work October 23rd, 2008My husband Dave likes to think I have the answers to everything off the top of my head, including stuff I haven’t seen, studied or heard about in years. He has such faith in me. Silly man.
He phoned me from his office this morning to see if I could run to the store on my way home from work. In the same breath, he said "Write this down," and I dutifully scrawled the following:
3(n-1) = 5n + 3 – 2n
This randomness is typical of our conversations. Hi. How’s your day going? Get eggs and bread. Solve for n.
I asked him why he was making me do algebra so early in the day, or anytime, for that matter. "Because Bill’s daughter got this in her homework and she told her teacher it wasn’t solvable. The teacher said it was, and now they’re having a dispute."
I quickly worked the equation and got this as a result:
3n – 3 = 3n + 3
You can see right away there is no solution. No value for n will make this statement true.
At least I hope there’s no solution, because I told Dave I was sure of it, and he told Bill "My wife is sure there is no solution," and Bill’s gonna tell his kid to tell her teacher "Kathy says there’s no solution!"
Apparently my husband has convinced his co-worker that I’m some kind of algebra expert. I was once. Twenty five years ago! I’m a lot fuzzier on algebraic formulas now. As I keep looking at the equation, I’m worried there’s some bizarre value for n that makes it true.
Is it solvable if n is an irrational number or something? Is there a mathematician in the house? Or a high schooler who’s currently taking algebra?
If this post gave you a headache, I’m sorry. Think of cotton candy and puppies instead. That’ll cleanse you of all things math.
p.s. Tomorrow I reveal the winner of What’s That? Wednesday!
Stumble it!
October 24th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
I get it because it just cancel each other out which meanxs the answer is never solvable
October 24th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Regan — Did you just zing Jaffer?
Lee — Yes, but you did it anyway and that makes you an egghead. Take it as a compliment!
BabaBooey — God, I thought you said “magnets.” Which didn’t make sense to me, but neither does “magenta.” Oh, my head hurts again. Remind me to never do another math post, will ya?
Shieldmaiden96 — At least you have bad poetry to show for your efforts now. That’s more than anyone can say for algebra, no?
Richard Catto — Huh? Wha? n squared plus n divided by 2? Stop hurting my head!!!
Elle — I shall look for your eyeball. Will you look for my brain matter? I think some leaked out when I wrote this.
Joe — I couldn’t agree with you more. Pie is the solution to all math problems.
Steve — I suspect that’s what she did. It takes a truly smart teacher to check the answers of his or her students, wouldn’t you think? Oh, man. People! Stop putting equations in your comments. My head’s gonna explode!
Steve — Listen, pal. I said no more equations! I’m not even looking at that, much less try to digest it, and you can’t make me.
Emma in China — You and most everyone else here. You’re in very good company.
lala — Yeah, I never thought I’d get asked to do algebra either. But now I went and confirmed to my husband that I know something about it. Stupid, stupid me.
Daisy the Curly Cat — Yes, but you can count your legs. I saw you do it on your blog today. So you are a little bit smart with math.
Jaffer — That girl needs a blog.
Jeff — I bet you think I really have more cats, but never talk about them for fear you will mock me mercilessly. You’ll never know.
Dan Brantley — Funny! That’s alright. Lots of us stink at lots of things and some of us just stink. What’s that smell?
Tiggy — n is for nevermind, just think of puppies and cotton candy.
Chris — I’m thrilled I was right about the equation. I did take the student’s grade level into consideration. I figured she’d never see weirdo numbers until college. Algebra was fun for me in school, but now? Not so much.
kpasa — That’s why we have two sides of the brain. One for math and one for everything else. If you think that picture is different, wait til you see the one I plan for Thanksgiving. Glad you stopped back and got caught up!
Carla — I cracked up loudly when I read your comment. Oh, please do write about that experience. I’m seeing lots of zits and braces.
Grant — A-ha! An expert among us. Yes, please do run it by a mathematics professor if you think of it. I ran it by an economist and he’s the one who thought perhaps irregular numbers might make it solvable, but even he was doubtful. Oh, and you’re an egghead. (And GO Phils! I’m sorry they lost their last game, but it ain’t over yet!)
Babs beetle — Oh, you’re so funny! Save yourself. Get in a happy place, curl up with a book and a warm kitty and forget this ever happened. I swear I’ll never post math again.
Regan — I think you need to hold an online class for those of us who’ve been away from math for more than 20 years. Can you swing that?
klc — Now, missy. Go back and check your work. You removed the -3 and the +3 from either side of the equation. Fatal error. Of course, math is easier if you just remove numbers that get in the way. English majors rule!
JD at I Do Things — Indeed. Pie solves all of life’s problems. Chocolate French Silk pie sounds like the perfect antidote to this post. (scribbles something pie-ish on shopping list)
Preston — I bet you’d be surprised at your residual math prowess. I couldn’t believe I even got an answer while still on the phone with my husband. It surprised me. Yes, this was a fun and thinking post. But I promise I won’t have very many more cerebral posts. I can’t take it.
brooke — Smarty pants! You’re probably learning this stuff right now, aren’t you?
October 24th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Stop, please, you are making my eyes bleed. I was not told there would be a math test.
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October 24th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Kathy,
I just wanted you to know that you *really* cracked me up with this one! I’m going to show problem to Johanna and see what she comes up with 😛 Hehe…
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October 25th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
I think my brain just leaked out of my ears.
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October 26th, 2008 at 7:49 am
Fancy — If there’s going to be math here again (doubtful), I’ll at least make it a contest. Don’t be afraid to come back.
Ricardo Bueno — OK, but don’t be mad at me if her head explodes.
Jay — Oh no! More leakage! I’m laughing at your latest post. What’s with all the cheese posts these days?!
October 28th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Oh God. My eyes are bleeding.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:36 am
@Kathy: The Sigma (greek character that looks a bit like an E) didn’t display correctly. It’s also called Summation. So Sigma n = 1 + 2 + 3 + … + n = n ( n + 1 ) / 2. It’s one of those standard arithmetic series formulae that everyone ought to know. Don’t you know? 🙂
If you want to really do your head in, you can find lots of crazy math arithmetic series summation proofs by searching. Here’s two I found:
tinyurl dot com/5ff4sq
tinyurl dot com/6ravxj
I also hope you haven’t forgotten l’Hôpital, because that would be tragic. Haha.
Wikipedia article:
en.wikipedia dot org / wiki /LHopitals_rule
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October 28th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
cardiogirl — Don’t worry. Math will never appear in The Junk Drawer again. Or I’ll be picking up brains and eyeballs again.
Richard Catto — Yes, yes, I got the sigma now. Thank God for Excel, right? OMG. I just went to those links. Induction? Now my eyes are bleeding! What are you doing to me? Oh, yeah. I started this.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
No i have an andvanced mind just like Regan s beware of our intellect
October 30th, 2008 at 6:13 am
brooke — I’m scairt!
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:23 pm
If you work out the problem, you eventually come up with 0n=6 and that is impossible because 0n=0. the answer is undefined. OOps just noticed the date on this-guess we are a little slow with our reply (this is my son’s answer!) Yes-please no more math questions!!
November 2nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
karen — Tell your son he’s genius! And I swear, no more math. It’s not just that I don’t want to torture my readers. I don’t want to torture myself either. Algebra once every two decades is plenty for me.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:16 am
You can ‘force’ a solution, but since it requires division by zero so it is quite undefined I’m afraid.
3(x-1) = 5x +3 -2x
3x -3 = 5x +3 -2x
3x -5x +2x = 3 +3
0x = 6
x= 6(1/0)
February 20th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
bobdevis — Holy cow. I stared at this for entirely too long and now my head hurts again. Thank you for spelling that out with the zero. That’s what makes it impossible, right?
August 9th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
There is a mathematician in the house. The solution is definitely undefined. If you’re looking for info on solving equations with a calculator, you can check out:
http://www.techpoweredmath.com/video-lesson-solving-a-system-of-equations-with-the-ti-nspire/
OR
http://www.techpoweredmath.com/video-lesson-solving-a-system-of-equations-with-the-ti-84/